A trip to the ASUN
By: Michael Fasano

I recently attended an ASUN budget hearing in an attempt to get some money for chess club.  I finally had a chance to really witness how the ASUN works.

Over the past few years, I’ve listened to the countless rants by John and Barry regarding the wastefulness of the ASUN.  They’ve claimed everything from “pointless spending” to “unqualified leaders” to “a bunch of bitches.”  I always knew that the ASUN was relatively inefficient, but I always held a little nugget of skepticism in the back of my head.

“They can’t be THAT bad,” I would mutter to myself.

The ‘Abolish the ASUN’ festival should have been enough for me, but still I had my doubts.  We had just gotten over 3000 dollars of their money to hold a festival calling for their demise, and they approved it, and still I wasn’t a true believer.

“Well of course we got the money!  John, Barry, and Travis know every little loophole and every little trick for getting money, plus they have so many connections, it’s no wonder they got funding!  I’m sure that the ASUN puts plenty of thought into the requests for funding that they receive.  They don’t just give out money randomly!”

WRRRRONGGGG

The senators or counselors or whatever the hell they call themselves had only one real criterion for handing out our money: did you jump through the hoops?  Did you fill out the paperwork?  Do you have receipts?  Yeah?  HERE’S YOUR MONEY!

I watched as club after club requested money…

“We need 600 dollars to send some people to Hollywood for a dance contest.”

“We need 200 dollars for a barbeque that only our club members can attend.”

“We need 250 dollars for shirts.”

They ASUN elected officials would all look at each other and you could FEEL their emotion just by looking at them: pure apathy.  It was like they all telepathically shrugged at each other.  They couldn’t have cared less if they tried.  You want 600 dollars?  Why not!

Then came the next club…  Something about preserving Native American culture or something, I wasn’t really paying attention.  They made their budget request and just when I was expecting the usual approval, something happened…

“We’re going to have to deny your request for funding.”

WHAT?  Suddenly my attention was grabbed, my adrenaline was pumping, and my Iphone game of chess was put on hold.  Was this event not worthy of ASUN money?  Could they possibly be putting some thought into who they give money too?

“Looks like you don’t have a constitution uploaded to orgsync.  We can’t give you money.”

I pulled the stupidest face of my life.  They had to be joking… A club constitution?  THAT was all they cared about?  In the course of an hour, they had given out thousands of dollars with no regard what-so-ever for how they spent it, and then they denied one because THEY HAD NO CONSTITUTION?

The take home message of this little story is simple: if you don’t believe that the ASUN is wasteful, go see for yourself.  Spend an hour at a budget meeting and you’ll come sprinting to sign the petition.

If the ASUN spends money like this, how does the federal government spend money?

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  • Guest

    It appears you watched a club funding hearing conducted by the Clubs Commission. Clubs Commissioners–that's what they're called–are appointed, not elected.

  • michaelfasano

    Boy you really put me in my place with that comment!

  • http://unrforliberty.com/ John Russell

    Another purpose of ASUN, which is not immediately announced, is to train future Nevada politicians to politically support the public university. The future politicians of tomorrow are the wasteful schmucks of the ASUN today. Scary.

  • Shane

    John, were you not a club commissioner?

  • Shane

    While I think Barry is a dick (and definitely needs to study up on the limits of knowledge or have the balls to admit he was wrong) and I don't have much of an opinion of John, Micheal, you are not on par with either of them.

    “If the ASUN spends money like this, how does the federal government spend money?”

    Brilliant reduction. Really, truly brilliant. You're piece really didn't offer anything clever, but it didn't suck either–until the end when you made a completely irrelevant, unrelated, unsubstantiated point.

  • http://unrforliberty.com/ John Russell

    Yes, I was.

  • http://unrforliberty.com/ Barry Belmont

    I don't see how my personality has anything to do with the opinions I espouse, but, hey at least you got to call me a dick. Hopefully you feel good about yourself.

    Good. Now in regards to your position that I should admit that I am wrong about my understanding of “knowledge” is wrong, I would be perfectly fine admitting I was wrong about the limitations of the application of Godel's theorems and whatnots, if it could be shown that I have misapplied them.

    In order for the incompleteness theorem to apply a system must be formal, powerful, have a syntax, and be based upon axiomatic systems. But how does this apply to scientific knowledge or to really any of the stuff we've been talking about? I mean, Godel's theorems are basically only meant to apply to robust systems which can express arithmetical axioms that are sufficient to be described as natural numbers.

    If somehow this applies to political philosophy, I would be interested to hear. The closest I can see the relationship coming is about self-reference and law which I have already addressed: http://unrforliberty.com/2009/07/this-is-about-…

  • michaelfasano

    Did you go out of your way to make as many errors in that comment as possible? I'm not usually a grammar nazi but seriously man, if you're going to share your opinions online you can at least make SOME attempt to write like a college student.

    First of all, you spelled my name wrong even though it appears in the comment you responded to.

    “I don't have much of an opinion of John, Micheal, you are not on par with either of them.”

    Learning to comma?

    “Brilliant reduction.”

    Did you mean brilliant DEDUCTION? My point by bringing up the federal government was to say this:

    The ASUN is wasteful
    The ASUN works similarly to the government
    Therefore, it is likely that the government is also wasteful

    That's called deductive reasoning, and I assumed that anyone who's made it past middle school would be able to recognize the point I was making.

    “You're piece really didn't offer…”

    Really? Did you go out of YOUR way to prove that YOU'RE a complete fucking idiot?

  • Shane

    I was really trying to avoid reading this blog because I get annoyed with how I react to you Barry, but I've failed.

    You seem to be a smart guy. I doubt you hold a similar opinion of me. My interpretation of things you've written on this blog–the only forum I know you through–is that you like proof.

    Proof can be a loaded word. My formal education is in computer science (basically a subset of mathematics). I am used to proof being used in an explicitly formal sense. A proof, to me, can be presented mathematically or symbolically, but it must be formal and robust.

    This is not the way the word is used in the social sciences. Fine. Fair enough. Etc.

    However, pseudo-quote of yours, “There is no such thing as metaphysics”. I think Godel's proofs say that some of what we hope to say about the universe, vis-a-vis the formalization of Physics, will never be rigorously provable. Your statements in those comments, combined with your interpretation of the applicability of Turing machines to the acquisition/use of knowledge, led to my attack on your comments.

    Perhaps I'm a bit harsh in my criticisms of you Barry, but you are on of a few people–of late–with whom I have (pseudo)intellectual exchanges with. Your breadth of knowledge is an interesting field to test myself against.

    None of this should reflect positively on my previously stated opinion of you being a dick, however.

  • Shane

    Actually I was drunk. Your still an idiot.

  • Shane

    More seriously, I did mean reduction. Your argument can be reduced to, “If the ASUN spends money like this, how does the federal government spend money?” as you used it as a conclusion.

    On the first graph, please provide a syntactic breakdown showing how my use of the comma was inappropriate. Perhaps the use of the comma as a separator was a bit unorthodox, but hardly a grammatic travesty worthy of condescension.

    My apologies, in the sincerest form possible via a blog comment, for misusing you're.

  • Shane

    This applies to my comments above about Barry being a dick as well as my immediately previous comment.

    I agree with this “blog's” opinion about ASUN being tremendously wasteful. I agree most of the people who serve in any capacity within ASUN are stupidly, willfully or naively ignorant of of the waste.

    However, when you were a club commissioner you did your job. You attempted, presumably to affect change. You were an honest participant in a shitty institution. Do you truly believe that the majority of people who do something within ASUN are schmucks? Should the be objects of scorn because they don't acquiesce to your childish antics.

    There will always be Lyndon Johnsons and Paul Krugmans (unabashed “progressives”), but most people are just trying to get by. They're trying to learn, to expose themselves to new things, to to learn.

    You deign to enlighten all those who have not received your libertarian revelation. You fail miserably because of how you do it.

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