Comments on: Ok, So Why This Event? http://unrforliberty.com/2010/03/ok-so-why-this-event.html Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:28:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: A Bicycle Tax? | UNR Students for Liberty http://unrforliberty.com/2010/03/ok-so-why-this-event.html/comment-page-1#comment-1362 A Bicycle Tax? | UNR Students for Liberty Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:54:12 +0000 http://unrforliberty.com/?p=1422#comment-1362 [...] consequences will always happen so long as rules can be enforced through force. Introducing, Government. Share and [...] [...] consequences will always happen so long as rules can be enforced through force. Introducing, Government. Share and [...]

]]> By: rudyjarvis http://unrforliberty.com/2010/03/ok-so-why-this-event.html/comment-page-1#comment-710 rudyjarvis Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:19:57 +0000 http://unrforliberty.com/?p=1422#comment-710 The fundamental flaw with all arguments against this event is the need to bring up indirect arguments in order to find ground on which to debate. The discussion has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that some clubs do a lot of good, or that active students benefit the university, or anything else beside “is the ASUN necessary?” And more importantly “is it right to FORCE every student to fund the ASUN?” So to debate on these issues I say that the ASUN is nothing more than a SYMBOL of the student voice and a STEP between students and the Board of Reagents. That being said to say that without the ASUN, students would have no voice is like saying a book without a cover or title can not be read. As far as the step between us and those really in power goes; it is absolutely ludicrous to think that the heavily involved students would somehow be unable (or not have time) to interact with the Board of Reagents. And before anyone even brings up events such as homecoming, Flipside, and other various programs ASUN puts on I say it is equally absurd to think that no one would take up these responsibilities or that no one would be willing to fund them. Bottom line, nothing the ASUN does is something that, magically, only they can do; and by spending 1.6 million dollars a year in student fees to do so no one can say they are the most efficient means of doing things. <br><br>Now for the actual important part of the whole event. IT IS WRONG TO FORCE STUDENTS TO PAY FOR ACTIVITIES THAT OTHERS DEAM TO BENIFITE THEM! Before anyone tries to compare this fee to other fees you pay when registering for classes the difference is that those fees are a payment for services (your education) and the ASUN fees are strictly for your benefit. It is like going to a restaurant that has a mandatory fee that pays for a huge chocolate cake and ten bowls of ice cream regardless of your desire for it or size of your party. So, if you don’t plan on attending homecoming or any clubs why should you have to pay for them? The fundamental flaw with all arguments against this event is the need to bring up indirect arguments in order to find ground on which to debate. The discussion has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that some clubs do a lot of good, or that active students benefit the university, or anything else beside “is the ASUN necessary?” And more importantly “is it right to FORCE every student to fund the ASUN?” So to debate on these issues I say that the ASUN is nothing more than a SYMBOL of the student voice and a STEP between students and the Board of Reagents. That being said to say that without the ASUN, students would have no voice is like saying a book without a cover or title can not be read. As far as the step between us and those really in power goes; it is absolutely ludicrous to think that the heavily involved students would somehow be unable (or not have time) to interact with the Board of Reagents. And before anyone even brings up events such as homecoming, Flipside, and other various programs ASUN puts on I say it is equally absurd to think that no one would take up these responsibilities or that no one would be willing to fund them. Bottom line, nothing the ASUN does is something that, magically, only they can do; and by spending 1.6 million dollars a year in student fees to do so no one can say they are the most efficient means of doing things.

Now for the actual important part of the whole event. IT IS WRONG TO FORCE STUDENTS TO PAY FOR ACTIVITIES THAT OTHERS DEAM TO BENIFITE THEM! Before anyone tries to compare this fee to other fees you pay when registering for classes the difference is that those fees are a payment for services (your education) and the ASUN fees are strictly for your benefit. It is like going to a restaurant that has a mandatory fee that pays for a huge chocolate cake and ten bowls of ice cream regardless of your desire for it or size of your party. So, if you don’t plan on attending homecoming or any clubs why should you have to pay for them?

]]> By: Eric C. http://unrforliberty.com/2010/03/ok-so-why-this-event.html/comment-page-1#comment-709 Eric C. Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:03:51 +0000 http://unrforliberty.com/?p=1422#comment-709 No obviously the vast majority of students didn't want thousands of dollars in student funds to be spent on bounce houses, mechanical bulls, balloons, pizzas, and drinks. This is a perfect example of irresponsible leadership. The ASUN promotes responsible leadership by making it difficult to put on events like this. I will refer you to flow chart of paper work that was needed make this event happen. As a club leader, I know that it took several days if not weeks or months to make this happen. So in my view, this is what you've accomplished (assuming of course). The UNR Students for Liberty have made it more difficult for responsible club leaders to receive funds that will actually benefit our ENTIRE campus (whether directly or indirectly) and possibly our entire human society (Please don't make me name them all off because i'll be typing for awhile. There are numerous engineering, medical, business, journalism, political science, agricultural, environmental, and more...) So is this a bad thing? Maybe not, but there was definitely a more responsible way to go about doing this in my view because if the ASUN were abolished, our campus would most definitely have less esteem (again please don't make me go into them because I'll be typing for hours explaining all the beneficial things that active students have brought to our school.) We gain recognition through our students becoming more than just students. We all go out into our fields and if we're successful our campus gains from that because the world notices. Not one in the UNR students for liberty can say whole heartedly that the ASUN doesn't have several individuals working hard to represent student opinion and make students goals become reality. Just as in our democratic society there are many unappreciative citizens, many elected officials make an incredibly meager wage to try and make the lives of their small communities better (as the ASUN tries to do for it's small community) while many sit, relax, and enjoy the benefits. Although many philosophers believe a true democracy is the best form of government, some philosophers believe that a true democracy cannot exist, and I cannot blame them not only because the reckless behavior that you've displayed during this event and in past events, but also because in our society only 56.8% of people voted in our presidential election in 2008, much much less voted in our primaries (weird how there were about 22 presidential candidates in 2008 huh? yet I site a video that the UNR students for Liberty have posted on their website that displays several ignorant americans complaining about how there are only two presidential choices), and a similar percentage of people participate in our local/state elections. In my opinion, this is either due to ignorance or inability, but the ignorant most definitely outweigh the unable. Thousands of americans refuse to become educated not only democratically but just in general because they fascinate themselves with other things or rationalize it by saying that their vote won't matter or that society discriminates against them with class, race, gender, appearance, or background. Our society has gone through a lot, and I'm not saying that these barriers have always been torn down, but in today's world anyone can hop on public transportation or their own to feet, go into the public library, pick up a book, and read it. Students and citizens would find that they would be getting much more out of their education and life if they became actively involved in their democratic system. No obviously the vast majority of students didn't want thousands of dollars in student funds to be spent on bounce houses, mechanical bulls, balloons, pizzas, and drinks. This is a perfect example of irresponsible leadership. The ASUN promotes responsible leadership by making it difficult to put on events like this. I will refer you to flow chart of paper work that was needed make this event happen. As a club leader, I know that it took several days if not weeks or months to make this happen. So in my view, this is what you've accomplished (assuming of course). The UNR Students for Liberty have made it more difficult for responsible club leaders to receive funds that will actually benefit our ENTIRE campus (whether directly or indirectly) and possibly our entire human society (Please don't make me name them all off because i'll be typing for awhile. There are numerous engineering, medical, business, journalism, political science, agricultural, environmental, and more…) So is this a bad thing? Maybe not, but there was definitely a more responsible way to go about doing this in my view because if the ASUN were abolished, our campus would most definitely have less esteem (again please don't make me go into them because I'll be typing for hours explaining all the beneficial things that active students have brought to our school.) We gain recognition through our students becoming more than just students. We all go out into our fields and if we're successful our campus gains from that because the world notices. Not one in the UNR students for liberty can say whole heartedly that the ASUN doesn't have several individuals working hard to represent student opinion and make students goals become reality. Just as in our democratic society there are many unappreciative citizens, many elected officials make an incredibly meager wage to try and make the lives of their small communities better (as the ASUN tries to do for it's small community) while many sit, relax, and enjoy the benefits. Although many philosophers believe a true democracy is the best form of government, some philosophers believe that a true democracy cannot exist, and I cannot blame them not only because the reckless behavior that you've displayed during this event and in past events, but also because in our society only 56.8% of people voted in our presidential election in 2008, much much less voted in our primaries (weird how there were about 22 presidential candidates in 2008 huh? yet I site a video that the UNR students for Liberty have posted on their website that displays several ignorant americans complaining about how there are only two presidential choices), and a similar percentage of people participate in our local/state elections. In my opinion, this is either due to ignorance or inability, but the ignorant most definitely outweigh the unable. Thousands of americans refuse to become educated not only democratically but just in general because they fascinate themselves with other things or rationalize it by saying that their vote won't matter or that society discriminates against them with class, race, gender, appearance, or background. Our society has gone through a lot, and I'm not saying that these barriers have always been torn down, but in today's world anyone can hop on public transportation or their own to feet, go into the public library, pick up a book, and read it. Students and citizens would find that they would be getting much more out of their education and life if they became actively involved in their democratic system.

]]> By: Epic Fail http://unrforliberty.com/2010/03/ok-so-why-this-event.html/comment-page-1#comment-707 Epic Fail Thu, 11 Mar 2010 05:32:09 +0000 http://unrforliberty.com/?p=1422#comment-707 Stacy Litz is a Paultard :-P Stacy Litz is a Paultard :-P

]]> By: Barry Belmont http://unrforliberty.com/2010/03/ok-so-why-this-event.html/comment-page-1#comment-704 Barry Belmont Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:01:49 +0000 http://unrforliberty.com/?p=1422#comment-704 Stacy Litz is awesome. Stacy Litz is awesome.

]]> By: Slitz http://unrforliberty.com/2010/03/ok-so-why-this-event.html/comment-page-1#comment-701 Slitz Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:28:32 +0000 http://unrforliberty.com/?p=1422#comment-701 Disgusted Alum is an idiot. Disgusted Alum is an idiot.

]]> By: Mr. Encyclopedia http://unrforliberty.com/2010/03/ok-so-why-this-event.html/comment-page-1#comment-687 Mr. Encyclopedia Tue, 09 Mar 2010 04:35:11 +0000 http://unrforliberty.com/?p=1422#comment-687 Did you read past the first sentence? If so, I'd like to know what your thoughts are on the remaining 5 paragraphs which deal with political economy and the viability of democracy. Did you read past the first sentence? If so, I'd like to know what your thoughts are on the remaining 5 paragraphs which deal with political economy and the viability of democracy.

]]> By: Disgusted Alum http://unrforliberty.com/2010/03/ok-so-why-this-event.html/comment-page-1#comment-683 Disgusted Alum Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:41:44 +0000 http://unrforliberty.com/?p=1422#comment-683 Seems to me, Barry, that ASUN simply obliged you to play along with your foolishness. Funny thing is you actually went forward with this farce. While your point may be superficially proven, the ends do not justify the means because one fact is still true: YOU ARE PURPOSELY WASTING MONEY, not the "almighty" student government. Seems to me, Barry, that ASUN simply obliged you to play along with your foolishness. Funny thing is you actually went forward with this farce. While your point may be superficially proven, the ends do not justify the means because one fact is still true: YOU ARE PURPOSELY WASTING MONEY, not the “almighty” student government.

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