<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: AS(sholes)UN: $64,000 Extra = $64,000 Spent</title>
	<atom:link href="http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:32:48 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Barry Belmont</title>
		<link>http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html/comment-page-1#comment-519</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://unrforliberty.com/?p=793#comment-519</guid>
		<description>Thanks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Barry Belmont</title>
		<link>http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html/comment-page-1#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://unrforliberty.com/?p=793#comment-448</guid>
		<description>Thanks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html/comment-page-1#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://unrforliberty.com/?p=793#comment-447</guid>
		<description>What&#039;s your planned mechanism to work towards the abolishment of ASUN?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#39;s your planned mechanism to work towards the abolishment of ASUN?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alpha Wolf</title>
		<link>http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html/comment-page-1#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>Alpha Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 00:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://unrforliberty.com/?p=793#comment-446</guid>
		<description>&quot;I am calling for the abolishment of the ASUN.&quot; Barry Belmont.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Quite the reformation you&#039;ve got in mind there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am calling for the abolishment of the ASUN.&#8221; Barry Belmont.</p>
<p>Quite the reformation you&#39;ve got in mind there.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Barry Belmont</title>
		<link>http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html/comment-page-1#comment-445</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://unrforliberty.com/?p=793#comment-445</guid>
		<description>I ran for office so people couldn&#039;t throw that &quot;but you didn&#039;t even try to anything about it&quot; nonsense at me. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I tried to reform it one way, now I&#039;m trying to reform it another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ran for office so people couldn&#39;t throw that &#8220;but you didn&#39;t even try to anything about it&#8221; nonsense at me. </p>
<p>I tried to reform it one way, now I&#39;m trying to reform it another.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Government Guy</title>
		<link>http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html/comment-page-1#comment-444</link>
		<dc:creator>Government Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://unrforliberty.com/?p=793#comment-444</guid>
		<description>And yet you ran for an office within this illegitimate government?  Are you really questioning the legitimacy of the government or simply being a little bitch because you didn&#039;t win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet you ran for an office within this illegitimate government?  Are you really questioning the legitimacy of the government or simply being a little bitch because you didn&#39;t win.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Barry Belmont</title>
		<link>http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html/comment-page-1#comment-443</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Belmont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://unrforliberty.com/?p=793#comment-443</guid>
		<description>I care less about what the ASUN is as what the ASUN ought to be. To truly answer question, I would have to say that since I didn&#039;t say I agreed to the process the ASUN has used that it is illegitimate for the ASUN to claim to use that very same process to hold sway over me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Indeed this point can be seen quite eloquently put in Lysander Spooner&#039;s &quot;No Treason&quot; where the constitution of the United States can be viewed as a contract that binds future generations without their consent, and thus is not necessarily to be followed on the conventional authoritarian grounds.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That said, I don&#039;t really see your point. I view the institution of something like a student government as necessarily wrong as it involves unnecessitated involuntary action. Therefore, even if say the &quot;process&quot; of electing that apparatus were in some way justified, its continued existence would not be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I care less about what the ASUN is as what the ASUN ought to be. To truly answer question, I would have to say that since I didn&#39;t say I agreed to the process the ASUN has used that it is illegitimate for the ASUN to claim to use that very same process to hold sway over me.</p>
<p>Indeed this point can be seen quite eloquently put in Lysander Spooner&#39;s &#8220;No Treason&#8221; where the constitution of the United States can be viewed as a contract that binds future generations without their consent, and thus is not necessarily to be followed on the conventional authoritarian grounds.</p>
<p>That said, I don&#39;t really see your point. I view the institution of something like a student government as necessarily wrong as it involves unnecessitated involuntary action. Therefore, even if say the &#8220;process&#8221; of electing that apparatus were in some way justified, its continued existence would not be.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alpha Wolf</title>
		<link>http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html/comment-page-1#comment-442</link>
		<dc:creator>Alpha Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://unrforliberty.com/?p=793#comment-442</guid>
		<description>Clearly you missed my point. Given that ASUN is NOT a direct democracy, what is the reason we should apply the same asserted rules of legitimacy (i.e. &quot;most&quot; of the people vote)? What is &quot;most&quot;? Even in a direct democracy of 100 people, how many of them must vote for it to be a legitimate election? All of them? 75? 51?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s say &quot;most&quot; is a majority of the population. So 51 voters, given the example above. Let&#039;s say the election presented two choices, A and B. Let&#039;s say that A received just a majority, 26 votes. So here, just little more than a quarter of the population actually made this decision for the remaining three-quarters. Legitimate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly you missed my point. Given that ASUN is NOT a direct democracy, what is the reason we should apply the same asserted rules of legitimacy (i.e. &#8220;most&#8221; of the people vote)? What is &#8220;most&#8221;? Even in a direct democracy of 100 people, how many of them must vote for it to be a legitimate election? All of them? 75? 51?</p>
<p>Let&#39;s say &#8220;most&#8221; is a majority of the population. So 51 voters, given the example above. Let&#39;s say the election presented two choices, A and B. Let&#39;s say that A received just a majority, 26 votes. So here, just little more than a quarter of the population actually made this decision for the remaining three-quarters. Legitimate?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Really?</title>
		<link>http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html/comment-page-1#comment-441</link>
		<dc:creator>Really?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://unrforliberty.com/?p=793#comment-441</guid>
		<description>are you retarded? he said a democracy which i think we can assume means a direct democracy. that means if most people dont vote then no one should win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>are you retarded? he said a democracy which i think we can assume means a direct democracy. that means if most people dont vote then no one should win.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Alpha Wolf</title>
		<link>http://unrforliberty.com/2009/10/assholesun-64000-extra-64000-spent.html/comment-page-1#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Alpha Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 04:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://unrforliberty.com/?p=793#comment-438</guid>
		<description>ASUN isn&#039;t a direct democracy. It&#039;s a representative government, pretty much like government in this country at the federal, state, and municipal levels. Representational governments rely on the premise that power flows from the people, or more directly from the people who vote. Is the U.S. Constitution a legitimate document? I know you subscribe to a view that no government is inherently better than any government, but let&#039;s face reality. You are surrounded by representational governments that are founded on documents that small portions of the population adopted at the time they were ratified. Try your legitimacy argument sometime when you&#039;re being coerced by the state.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But you never really answered my question. What percentage of the membership of ASUN needs to vote in any given election to make the authority of the officers who are elected at that election legitimate? How do you deal with the population that, for whatever reason, chooses to not vote? You can assume simple, direct democracies all you like, but you&#039;re rejecting the reality of what you&#039;re dealing when when you do so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Based on your assumptions, ASUN should only be able to &quot;tax&quot; those who vote. Again, this rejects the coercive authority that is in place, through the Board of Regents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASUN isn&#39;t a direct democracy. It&#39;s a representative government, pretty much like government in this country at the federal, state, and municipal levels. Representational governments rely on the premise that power flows from the people, or more directly from the people who vote. Is the U.S. Constitution a legitimate document? I know you subscribe to a view that no government is inherently better than any government, but let&#39;s face reality. You are surrounded by representational governments that are founded on documents that small portions of the population adopted at the time they were ratified. Try your legitimacy argument sometime when you&#39;re being coerced by the state.</p>
<p>But you never really answered my question. What percentage of the membership of ASUN needs to vote in any given election to make the authority of the officers who are elected at that election legitimate? How do you deal with the population that, for whatever reason, chooses to not vote? You can assume simple, direct democracies all you like, but you&#39;re rejecting the reality of what you&#39;re dealing when when you do so.</p>
<p>Based on your assumptions, ASUN should only be able to &#8220;tax&#8221; those who vote. Again, this rejects the coercive authority that is in place, through the Board of Regents.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
